Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?

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  • Rania Mahmoud


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?
    -This may be attributed to an abundance of “hidden” phosphates in food,
    suboptimal adherence stemming from the burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day, and side effects of phosphate binders.“Hidden” phosphates in food and medications increase phosphate intake and make it more challenging to achieve phosphate control
    -Phosphate additives are used in many processed foods and are estimated toincrease daily phosphate intake by approximately 1000mg resulting in a total daily phosphate intake of up to approximately 2400 mg
    -Patients have also expressed dislike of the large size and bad taste of binders. The need to carry phosphate binders at all times may lead to stress and/or anxiety for patients and affect patients’ social interactions.
    -As treatment efficacy depends on proper adherence to labeled dosing instructions. Nonadherence may contribute to the inability of many patients on dialysis to achieve and maintain target phosphorus concentrations.

  • Mohamed Abdalbary


    Here is a suggested answer:

    1-     Noncompliance: due to GI side effects, burden of polypharmacy. However,  ROD is progressive overtime with severe consequences, it is an initially silent disease.

    2-     Hidden phosphorus: “Hidden” phosphates in food and medications increase phosphate intake and make it more challenging to achieve phosphate control.  Medications may be another source of hidden phosphate, as phosphate excipients are a common addition to medications prescribed to patients with CKD and can contribute an additional 100 to 200 mg of phosphate per day

    3-     Phosphate additives: used in many processed foods and are estimated to increase daily phosphate intake by approximately 1000 mg, resulting in a total daily phosphate intake of up to approximately 2400 mg.

    4-     The pill burden and S/E of phosphate binders: make ingestion difficult and unpleasant for patients. Patients have also expressed dislike of the large size and bad taste of binders.

    5-     limited knowledge of patients on phosphate and its effects compared with other nutrients.

    6-     Some dialysis providers believed that it was “less true” that phosphate binders are very important for patients on dialysis

  • Rola Kotob


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?This may be attributed to:
    an abundance of “hidden” phosphates in food especially processed food with Phosphate additives ,
    drugs increasing phosphate
    suboptimal adherence due to burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day, and side effects of phosphate binders.
    All these factors make it difficult to achieve target phosphate level

  • Mohamed Abdulahi Hassan


    It is hard to achieve target phosphate level in most patients
    the challenges are dietary phosphate intake, limited binders capacity, and poor adherence.

  • Asmaa Salih KHUDHUR


    This may be attributed to an abundance of “hidden” phosphates in food, suboptimal adherence stemming from the burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day, and side effects of phosphate binders.
    “Hidden” phosphates in food and medications increase phosphate intake and make it more challenging to achieve phosphate control. Phosphate additives are used in many processed foods and are estimated to increase daily phosphate intake by approximately 1000 mg,resulting in a total daily phosphate intake of up to approximately 2400 mg.These additives are “hidden” because the quantity of phosphorus they contain is not required to be listed on food labels.Medications may be another source of hidden phosphate, as phosphate excipients are a common addition to medications prescribed to patients with CKD and can contribute an additional 100 to 200 mg of phosphate per .These “hidden” phosphate sources increase phosphate load and make it difficult for patients to accurately calculate their daily phosphate intake.

  • Marwa Alm


    It is hard for most pts to achieve target phosphate level because multi pill regimen, medication side effects, hidden phosphate in food and drugs, lack of education among pts and providers,,, 

  • Ahmed Altalawy


    1- Hidden  phosphates in food(1000mg daily) and drugs(100-200 mg daily).
    2- Suboptimal adherence owing to the burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day .
    3-side effects of phosphate binders .
    4- Lack of education among patients and providers .

  • Mohammed Farag


    Challenges in Achieving Target Phosphorus Concentration:
    This may be attributed to an abundance of “hidden” phosphates in food, suboptimal adherence stemming from the burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day, and side effects of phosphate binders.

    Phosphate additives are used in many processed foods and are estimated to increase daily phosphate intake by approximately 1000 mg,46 resulting in a total daily phosphate intake of up
    to approximately 2400 mg.46,47 These additives are “hidden” because the quantity of phosphorus they contain is not required to be listed on food labels

    Medications may be another source of hidden phosphate, as phosphate excipients are a common addition to medications prescribed to patients with CKD and can contribute an additional 100 to 200 mg of phosphate per day

    characteristics of these medications that make ingestion difficult and unpleasant for patients

    patients are required to take many pills with each meal and snack

    Side effects of phosphate binders, particularly those affecting the GI system, are common and may lead to treatment discontinuation

  • Mark Nagy Zaki Amin Mark


    – hidden po4 contents in drugs and additives in preserved foods

  • HASSAN ALYAMMAHI


    • Abundance of phosphate -> difficult to avoid
    • side effects of binders -> compliance problems
    • High cost of new PO4 binders
  • Mahmoud Elsheikh


    hidden phosphates in food/medications
    short sessions
    non compliance
    cost of some binders
    unawareness

  • Alaa Abdel Nasser


    This may be due to:
    1- “hidden” phosphates in food(1000mg daily) and drugs(100-200 mg daily),
    2- suboptimal adherence owing to the burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day, and
    3-side effects of phosphate binders affecting the GI system.

  • Rabab ALaa Eldin keshk Rabab


    Hidden po4 in diet and drugs,wide distribution of po4 in diet, uncompliance with po4 chelator due to its side effects

  • KAMAL ELGORASHI


    Serum phosphorus level management challenges;

    1. Hidden phosphate in food and medication (additives in food are not required to be listed on food labels.
    2. Subadherence to treatment and intolerability,
    3. Side effects of phosphate binders.
    4. Stress and anxiety are associated with a large number of phosphate binders and a way to carry all these medications.
    5. Unawareness of patients regarding the side effects of hyperphosphatemia.
  • Ashraf Ahmed Mahmoud


    hidden phosphates in food
    some medication source of hidden phosphate
    in dialysis need extended sessions .
    uncompliance of pts.

  • Mahmud ISLAM


    Phosphorus is hidden and underreported in many types of nutrients and drugs. It is present in most food additives.
    The large number of pills, Gastrointestinal upset and compliance found in the majority, in addition to non-compliance and unawareness of the importance of phosphorus either by patients or health care staff (sometimes) play a role. Many patients when admitted to hospitals, have well-controlled phosphorus (diet is important)

  • Rihab Elidrisi


    It. is very difficult to the Ckd PATIENT TI REACH OPTIMAL PHOPHORE LEVEL Due to “hidden” phosphates in food, the load of taking phosphate binders numerous times a day, and adverse effects, adherence is low.

    The phosphate binder method of action may make some drugs difficult and unpleasant to take. When in the GI system, binder and dietary phosphate form nonabsorbable molecules that are expelled. Binders have limited phosphate binding capacity per pill; thus patients must take numerous tablets with meals and snacks. 
    

  • Muhammad Soobadar


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?ckd and dialysis patient have reduced capacity to excrete phosphate due to kidney failure. Unfortunately loads of additives to food especially processed one have high phosphate content and even medication have phosphate as additive . Furthermore the phosphate binders are taken as multiple pills, have side effects and are not well tolerated by patients and compliance with treatment makes reaching target level of phosphate difficult

  • Weam El Nazer


    In clinical experiments, phosphate binders reduced phosphorus concentrations, however, many dialysis patients cannot reach goal concentrations. Due to “hidden” phosphates in food, the load of taking phosphate binders numerous times a day, and adverse effects, adherence is low.
     
    The phosphate binder method of action may make some drugs difficult and unpleasant to take. When in the GI system, binder and dietary phosphate form nonabsorbable molecules that are expelled. Binders have limited phosphate binding capacity per pill, thus patients must take numerous tablets with meals and snacks. Patients detest binders’ size and flavor.
     

  • Elsayed Ghorab


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?this attributed to an abundance of hidden phosphates in food
    medication may be another source of hidden phosphate
    phosphate binder account for approximately 50%of total daily pill burden for patients
    pt. uncompliance and taking large quantities of pills on regular basis may be unpleasant for patient .

  • Israa Hammoodi


    It is hard to achieve target phosphorous because of high content of hidden phosphorous in so many food items and in food additives, non compliance of patients because of large pill size and high pill number and unpleasant taste and because of side effects of phosphate binders so lead to non compliance.

  • Emad mohamed mokbel Salem


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?1-hidden phosphate in food
    2-non adherence to medications (burden of taking phosphate binders multiple times per day) and side effect of phosphate binders
    3-lack of education about the importance of dietary phosphate restriction

  • Nour Al Natout


    They should take more than 9 table a day and they should shew it and it doesn’t taste good and they are large in size +other side effects.
    Lack of education and dietary supervision from dietician.
    Hidden phosphate quantity in modern food industry.
    There is decreased excretion of phosphat in urine with advanced CKD

  • Ibrahim Omar


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?

    • phosphate retention starts early in CKD and even adequate HD as 3 session (12 hours)/week removes only about 2/3 of the total phosphate load.
    • phosphate binders pills are large in size, have to be taken frequently with meals & snackes, unpalatable, have serious GIT side effects, and expensive.
    • low phospahate diet induces malnutrition.
    • phosphate content of even some drugs used in management of CKD
    • Sherouk Elnagar


      Nice dr Ibrahim, you can increase phosphorus removal by increasing dialysis frequency or extending its duration; with highest phosphate removal can be achieved by both mechanisms in patients maintained on nocturnal daily hemodialysis

  • Ben Lomatayo


    Why is it hard for most patients to achieve target phosphate levels?

    • Hidden phosphate in processed foods(~1000 mg) & drugs(100 -200 mg)
    • Pill size: big
    • Pill numbers: may go up to 9 tablets (50 % of total daily pills for HD pt)
    • Pill taste: unpleasant
    • Pill side effects: nausea, vomiting, constipation, ileus, and obstruction
    • Difficult to carry them: social issues
    • Most of the delicious food contained phosphate

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