Understanding calcium balance is particularly important in CKD. However, there is scarcity of calcium balance studies. In your opinion why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited.

A balanced view of calcium and
phosphate homeostasis in
chronic kidney disease

Calcium balance in normal individuals and in patients
with chronic kidney disease on low- and high-calcium
diets

Calcium balance in chronic kidney
disease: walking the tightrope

30 Comments

  • Mohamed Abdalbary


    Here is a suggested answer:

    Balance studies are labor-intensive and demanding. Accurate intake and output measurements, steady-state conditions, and a crossover design to exclude individual variability are necessary. Moreover, due to the occasional removal/retention of calcium dialysate in patients receiving dialysis, long-term precise calcium balance research was never possible in dialysis. Recently, the potential use of naturally occurring calcium isotopes could open the door for more understanding of calcium balance in patients with CKD (1).

    

    1- Shroff R, Lalayiannis AD, Fewtrell M, Schmitt CP, Bayazit A, Askiti V, Jankauskiene A, Bacchetta J, Silva S, Goodman N, McAlister L, Biassoni L, Crabtree N, Rahn A, Fischer DC, Heuser A, Kolevica A, Eisenhauer A. Naturally occurring stable calcium isotope ratios are a novel biomarker of bone calcium balance in chronic kidney disease. Kidney Int. 2022 Sep;102(3):613-623. doi: 10.1016/j.kint.2022.04.024. Epub 2022 May 27. PMID: 35644284.

  • Rania Mahmoud


    –        Probably because balance studies are labor-intensive and demanding.
    –         Balance studies thus require sufficient equilibration time. (Around 90 days) and accurate measurements of intake and output.
    –          Balance can be assessed only when patients are in steady state

  • Amna Kununa


    • Calcium balances can be assessed only when patients are steady, without significant fluctuations in the homeostatic processes. i.e. balance study required sufficient equilibration time (around 90 days).
    • Validity of the results (how accurate the intake and output), so balance studies should be combined with validated isotope techniques (expensive, not validated in CKD)
  • Alaa Abdel Nasser


    1-Because balance studies are labor intensive and demanding
    2-The participants should be in a steady state to assess the balance

  • Mohammed Farag


    Gold-standard balance studies are scarce in CKD because they are so labor-intensive and so demanding of participants and investigators

  • Mahmud ISLAM


    These studies are different in timing and follow-up. Short periods of follow-up, not well-documented parameters of ca/P, and the time needed for a steady state of sustained calcium balance is not easy. It is difficult to conduct studies in this field because patients will have many confounding and we need very large numbers in all stages of CKD. Rather we need to adjust for individual variations of the study population’s vitamin D, PTH basal biochemical variables etc.

  • Rola Kotob


    why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited.1- studies investigating calcium balance in CKD are scant, maby balance studies are labor-intensive and demanding, costy
    2-many factors affect these studies Age, bone disease, exersis , different hormones
    ( hormones such as pth, vid d..,)
    3-duration needed to reach equilibrium
    4-cant determine actual elemental ca intake and fecal loss

  • Ahmed Altalawy


    Why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited? Calcium homeostasis is not well understood in CKD patients .
    Variety of CKD-MBD which needs specific investigations like isotope and bone biopsy .

  • Marwa Alm


    Studies on Ca balance are deficient as it is complexed and costly, need time, as Calcium homeostasis is affected by other factors like PTH, vitamin D level, to confirm that pts in neutral calcium balance and normal vitamin d level Before starting, currently no definite time to return to steady state following changes in dietary calcium, 
    CKD affect intestinal motility mostly has constipation and increased transit time, unethical to expose CKD pts to high Ca diet with susceptible soft tissue calcification

  • Asmaa Salih KHUDHUR


    This because Accurate balance can be assessed only after participants have had adequate time to equilibrate into a steady state. 

    One review of 210 studies suggested that the mean duration when balance was achieved was 90 days.It is unlikely that bone had achieved a steady state within the brief 1-week time span in this study.

    Gold-standard balance studies are scarce in CKD because they are so labor-intensive and so demanding of participants and investigators.

  • Areij Alotaibi


    management of calcium is complex and need expertises especially that calcium is afffected by many factors is CKD patient because of their comorbidties and medications

  • Mahmoud Elsheikh


    • Cost is the first barrier.
    • Complexity and heterogenecity of CKD-BMD disease
    • Challenges in investigations like: stool calcium
    • Volunteers, and it is difficult to follow also RCTS may not be ethical
    • Most of patient at the beginning may be not tyoical as its affected by non specialist medications and malpractice
  • Ahmed Wagih


    calcium balence in CKD is complex, affected by dysregulated hormones that affect calcium absorption, calcium adsorption, and low gfr that affect calcium excretion. inaddition most of ckd already receiving medications affect calcium homestasis

  • Israa Hammoodi


    The study on calcium balance are scant because they are labor intensive and are demanding
    As the classical calcium balance study the calcium appearant absorption (intake minus the fecal calcium) and net retention (intake minus fecal minus urinary) and corresponding coefficient.
    So need for more investigation which is costly.

  • Mohamed Abdulahi Hassan


    In my opinion since it needs calcium balance during all stages of CKD patients and balance calcium in dialysis and dietary intake of calcium.
    and as the ckd progresses the calcium excretion become less

  • KAMAL ELGORASHI


    The Calcium and phosphate

    • Essential in cardiovascular and neuro-muscular function.
    • Enzyme mediated.
    • Cellular signaling.
    • The structural integrity of the skeleton.

    Response to hypocalcemia;

    • PTH stimulation which leads to;
    1. Release of calcium from bone.
    2. Activate vit.D, which helps calcium absorption from the intestine.
    3. Excessive bone phosphorus release, which leads to phosphaturia under the influence of PTH and FGF23/Klotho.

    This tight homeostasis is interrupted early in CKD, with resultant secondary hyperparathyroidism and CKD-MBD.
    Hill et al;

    • Positive calcium balance by a dietary supplement, with minimum impact on phosphate balance.
    • Calcium-containing phosphate binder, balanced hyperphosphatemia, secondary hyperparathyroidism, but avoid the risk of vascular calcification.
    • Positive calcium balance leads to bone re-mineralization.
    • Phosphate absorption is impaired in CKD, and low 24 hr urinary phosphate excretion in advance CKD is a consequence of FGF23-mediated 1,25-dihydroxy vitamin D.
    • FGF23 in the early stage of CKD 2-3 is associated with hypophosphatemia.

    This study;

    • This conclusion is a perfect example of how important this conclusion in dealing with a false past belief about calcium, phosphorus homeostasis, and CKD-MBD.
    • Balance is scarce because they are labor-intensive and demanding of participants and investigators.
  • Ashraf Ahmed Mahmoud


    needs a long duration of time.
    cost effectiveness ( more lab investigation and radiology)

  • MOHAMMED HAJI HASSAN


    1. they are so labor-intensive and so demanding of participants and investigators.  
    2. validated isotope techniques may also be needed
  • Rabab ALaa Eldin keshk Rabab


    Mostly due to ca in body present by different form and many hormones and factor affecting their level and metabolism also in ckd pt many factors affecting their level and these studies need a lot of money

  • Rihab Elidrisi


    Why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited.

    Studying Ca metabolism is very difficult and needs a steady state for a long duration of time.
    As the study conducted by Spiegel and Brady included 6 patients with stage 3 and 4 CKD, although they reached a good and helpful conclusion, there is still an obstacle to taking their findings as given findings especially the steady state of the CA and the duration besides the small number of patient that was involved in the study.

  • Emad mohamed mokbel Salem


    why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited.
    1-they are so labor-intensive and so demanding of participants and investigators
    2- the best and accurate method for calculation of calcium distribution in tissue is isotoptechnique has limitation

  • Muhammad Soobadar


    CKD patients have a abnormal calcium metabolism compared to non ckd individuals. Studies are scarce as it hard to set up studies and also to measure intake and output of calcium as well as to define steady state for calcium metabolism.
    It might not be cost effective to do a study

  • HASSAN ALYAMMAHI


    Ca homeostasis is not an easy marker to measure in CKD, and studies are lacking for several reasons

    • there is fluctuations in serum calcium in dialysis patients (pre and post dialysis Ca), so there is a lack of steady state.
    • There are many players which act simultaneously in serum Ca, and it is very difficult to control for all there factors (PTH, FGF23, Vit D)
    • Pharmaceutical may not be interested to support such studies because it is unlikely that there going to be much gain $$.
    • It is often difficult to establish cause and effect relationship between Ca and Hard points (like CVS event) because patient often have multiple comorbidities
  • Weam El Nazer


    Calcium homeostasis is not well understood in patients with chronic renal disease, due to the fact that calcium shortage is a stimulant for secondary hyperparathyroidism and, as a result, bone loss, while calcium excess promotes extraosseous calcifications. so the studies will be difficult to apply.

  • Ben Lomatayo


    Understanding calcium balance is particularly important in CKD. However, there is scarcity of calcium balance studies. In your opinion why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited.

    • CKD is a complex disease, low Ca lead to SHPT,& high Ca lead to vascular and soft tissue calcification
    • Challenges in stool calcium examination
    • Serum Ca may not reflect total body Ca and it is tightly regulated
    • It requires many instructions for the volunteers, and it is difficult to follow
    • RCTS may not be ethical
    • The cost may be high
  • Ibrahim Omar


    Understanding calcium balance is particularly important in CKD. However, there is scarcity of calcium balance studies. In your opinion why the studies on calcium balance in patients with CKD are very limited.

    • this types of studies are labour-intensive and demanding.
    • they needs more accurate measurements of intake and output.
    • validated isotope techniques may also be needed
  • Nour Al Natout


    1. measurement of calcium balance can be challenging and requires expertise, what makes it difficult to conduct large studies2.research funding 3. CKD patients have too much comorbidities , what makes it difficult to contribute the effects of calcium alone on outcomes.

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