Is there a major difference between non-dialysis CKD patients and HD or PD patients regarding calcium balance?

A balanced view of calcium and
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  • Rania Mahmoud


    Is there a major difference between non-dialysis CKD patients and HD or PD patients regarding calcium balance?
    Dialysis patients are expected to be at a higher calcium balance because they have lost excretory function compared to CKD patient . Dialysates in HD and PD solutions with high calcium concentrations could cause a positive calcium balance in patients with ESKD. Normal serum calcium concentrations do not indicate calcium loading and cannot be used as a reference to determine calcium balance.
    Treatments such as vitamin D analogues, calcimimetics, and PO4 that increase in late CKD must be considered.

  • Mohamed Abdalbary


    Here is a suggested answer:

    Dialysis patients are expected to be at a higher calcium balance. Dialysates in HD and PD solutions with high calcium concentrations could cause a positive calcium balance in patients with ESKD and limited/none kidney capacity to excrete this calcium overload. 

  • Alaa Abdel Nasser


    I think positive calcium balance is more prevalent in PD> HD> non dialysis CKD.

    A study found that subjects with late stage 3 and stage 4 CKD were in slightly negative to neutral calcium balance on a daily intake of 800 mg, but were in marked positive balance on 2000 mg/day.

    Evidence suggests that calcium mass balance is positive with a DCa 3.5 mEq/L, negative or neutral with the use of DCa 2.5 mEq/L, whereas both positive and negative balances have been observed with the use of DCa 3.0 mEq/L.
    Overall, the use of DCa >2.5 mEq/L is usually associated with an increase in serum calcium level and a decrease in serum PTH level and use of lower vitamin D analogue dose, with the opposite effects usually observed with the use of lower DCa. Most of the available evidence is from small-sized and crossover studies; hence, evidence should be regarded with caution and applied in a patient-specific manner.

    Patients on  PD are continuously exposed to dialysate for several hours during dwelling time. Although guidelines recommend a dialyse calcium concentration (D[Ca]) between 1.25 and 1.50 mmol/L , a D[Ca] of 1.75 mmol/L is still prescribed to up a large proportion of patients on PD around the world,reaching 50 % of those in the USA.

    Whereas D[Ca] of 1.75 mmol/L produces soft-tissue calcification and adynamic bone disease, D[Ca] of 1.25 mmol/L stimulates PTH secretion, and therefore, has been recommended to reduce the risk of adynamic bone disease.

  • Rola Kotob


    Is there a major difference between non-dialysis CKD patients and HD or PD patients regarding calcium balance?

    serum calcium cannot be used as a guide to evaluate calcium balance, and normal serum calcium concentrations do not preclude calcium loading.
    we hve to consider treatment like vit d analogues calcimimetics, and PO4 which increase in late ckd ( lower klotho effect and less response to FGF23)

    in ckd stage 3 or stage 4 CKD are in slightly negative balance to neutral calcium balance on 800mg calcium intake but in marked positive balance when ingesting 2000 mg of elemental calciumintake resulted in lower 1,25D and iPTH but did not result in overall net decreased calcium absorption or an increase in the serum calcium concentration, suggesting that the calcium is being deposited in tissue..

    Dialysis patient
    lower 1-25dihydroxy calciferol
    less residul kidney function lower urine Ca excretion
    same GIT absorption of ca that means theres CA load
    dilyzate Ca should be considered
    easily to be on positive balance on lower ca intake than nondialysis ckd
    According to a study data dialysis patients, predicting negative balance when intake is 800 and positive balance when calcium intake exceeds 1500 mg/day.

  • Mahmud ISLAM


    With the advancement in CKD, decrease in Clotho, increase in FGF-23, and decrease in alpha-hydroxylase, there is a decrease in calcium absorption and secondary hyperparathyroidism. This increases depending on the decrease in GFR. Son, in the end-stage with anuria, the safety of urinary Ca excretion is lost.
    In addition, in HD patients, it depends on dialysate calcium, the amount of vitamin D and analogues, and phosphorus binders. In peritoneal dialysis, they seem to have a similar situation (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4079479/). In my opinion, PD patients may be better in terms of calcium balance because of continuous dialysis depending on dialysate and modality CAPD/APD etc. This needs to be further studied

  • Mohamed Abdulahi Hassan


    non-dialysis CKD nondialysis patients;in CKD stages 3-4, there was somewhat a bit to the natural balance in lower calcium intake, but in a higher calcium diet,
    in dialysis, there was also a negative balance in lower calcium intake.

  • Israa Hammoodi


    CKD nonD
    Still have regulatory mechanism, less use of calcium binder, lower PTH, better GI absorption of calcium which decrease as CKD progress
    HD and PD patient
    Loss of residual renal function, more PTH level, more s.Phosphorous level , decrease GIT absorption, less vitamin D level, decrease urinary excretion of calcium.
    Also in PD solution there is Calcium which might affect s. Level

  • Mohammed Farag


    Yes , so we perform more frequent evaluation of Ca, P , PTH levels in dialysis patients and optimal level of PTH is different between dialysis and non dialysis patients
    In addition, nutritional requirements differ between HD and PD patients

  • Ahmed Altalawy


    In CKD regulatory mechanisms still partially intact, in HD and PD patients mostly they lost , also dialysate calcium content play a role .

  • Asmaa Salih KHUDHUR


    In CKD-ND 
    The regulatory mechanisms still intact
    There is early hypophosphatemia
    The patient may be in positive or negative calcium balance 
    70% of patients have vascular calcification 
    In HD or PD :
    Loss of the regulatory mechanisms 
    Loss of renal mass
    Loss of residual renal function 
    hyperphosphatemia, hypocalcemia, secondary hyperparathyroidism.
    Positive calcium balance 
    The dailysate content of calcium and bicarbonate may affect calcium balance.
    Long dewel time in PD patients enhance positive calcium balance.

  • Marwa Alm


    points to be taken into consideration While evaluating net calcium balance 

    • Urinary Ca excretion has direct relation with eGFR, so the more CKD progression the less urinary Calcium excretion- hence retention-.
    • the more CKD progression- 1,25 hydroxy D3 deficiency- the less intestinal Ca absorption- unless supplemented.

    so supposed HD pts have the lowest calcium balance unless supplemented

    • Mohamed Abdalbary


      Nice comment Dr Marwa and you have also the 3rd source of calcium; bone. With progression of CKD, more patients will have ROD, and both Low and High bone turnover could lead to positive calcium balance.

  • Mahmoud Elsheikh


    CKDs
    intact regulatory mechanism
    residual renal function
    AdvanceCKD and Dialysis
    Hyperphosphatemia/Hypocalcemia require supplement/binders
    severity of HPT
    Vascular and soft tissues calcification

  • HASSAN ALYAMMAHI


    As CKD progresses, kidneys become less able to excrete Ca and patients tend to have positive Ca balance
    So Dialysis CKD have more +ve Ca balance than non-dialysis CKD
    Furthermore, PD patients may have less +ve Ca balance as they maintain their residual renal function for longer periods.

  • Ashraf Ahmed Mahmoud


    cium balance more than HD patient.
    
    • The more loss of renal mass function, the more susceptible to calcium overload.
    • With residual renal functions not give Ca supplement routinely without full investigations.
    • The PD patient has bigger chance for Ca positive balance than HD patient due to long dwell time.
  • KAMAL ELGORASHI


    In CKD- in no dialysis
    There is still a regulatory mechanism
    No need for an early Ca supplement
    Phosphorus is to some extent regulated especially with residual renal function in the early CKD stage
    In Advance and CKD-D
    Hyperphosphatemia ensues
    Hypocalcemia necessitate supplement
    sever secondary hyperparathyroidism with possible nodularity and hypo sensible gland
    Vascular calcification
    Ca in dialysate??

  • Rabab ALaa Eldin keshk Rabab


    Yes there were differences between the CKD and non ckd and hd or pd pt depend on stage of CKD
    Ca supplement and presence of residual renal functions neutritional state of pt
    And we need to maintain positive ca balance according to each pt to prevent vascular calcification

  • Rihab Elidrisi


    The CKD patient non-dialysis could be in positive or negative Ca balance, but most probably will have a positive Ca balance as these patients on Ca supplements and on VIT d and both of them will increase the total Ca pool.
    hd and PD PATIENT also will diffidently have high positive Ca balance due to loss of excretion adding to Ca phosphate binder

  • Muhammad Soobadar


    I think dialysis patient will have more postive calcium balance as they have lost excretory function compared to CKD patient
    pd patient sometimes have residual urine output and can have less positive balance than HD patient
    i feel its probably better to avoid calcium binders in dialysis patient but tho clinical practice is not such?

  • Ben Lomatayo


    -Is there a major difference between non-dialysis CKD patients and HD or PD patients regarding calcium balance?

    • Yes, because CKD-ND is broad category and may include CKD 1G, 2G, 3G,4 G,5G. CKD5D is another subsets of patients and every which is much worse you get in this particular group.
    • Total elemental calcium intake should be within the range of 800 to 1200 mg/day in all CKD to avoid calcium deficiency and calcium loading.
    • In early CKD1G up to 3AG patients are still able maintain calcium balance
    • Disorders of calcium balance may start at the stage CKD 3b and above but usually manifest at late stages of CKD
    • Vascular calcifications is presence in ~ 70% of patients with stage CKD3G-4G and this may be more in HD or PD patients due +ve calcium balance. This is associated with cardiovascular & all cause mortality in these pts.
    • Exogenous calcium supplementations may play a minor role in the pathogenesis of a vascular calcifications in these patients because they already had vascular calcifications in CKD 3G-4G without receiving any calcium products !
    • HD or PD both are associated with significant +ve calcium balance and vascular calcifications although PD pts may the advantage of residual kidney function but at the end the outcomes remained the same.
  • Nour Al Natout


    Non HD patient with advace ckd may be on slightly negative or positive calcium balance if taking calcium supplement.

    With decreased residual urine , patient are more prone to positive calcium balance
    So hemodialysis patient without residual urine function and taking calcium supplement will be mostly positive in calcium , then PD patiens because they mostly still have residual urine function.
    It also depends on dialysate, and if patient take calcium or calcium containing phosphate binders what is frequently the case.
    So positiv calcium balance increase as following:
    HD patient>PD patient >advanced CKD

  • Weam El Nazer


    CKD-key MBD’s metabolic abnormalities at various stages With GFR < 20–30 ml/min, serum calcium and phosphate levels fall and rise, respectively. Calcitriol decreases early in CKD (GFR 70–80 ml/min), but calcidiol and PTH rise later, from GFR 60–70 ml/min.

    Patients with ESRD have extensive renal impairment with very little or no excretory activity, making them more sensitive to calcium overload due to the lack of excretory function.

  • Ibrahim Omar


    Is there a major difference between non-dialysis CKD patients and HD or PD patients regarding calcium balance?

    • yes, there is a considerable difference as following:

    1- HD or even PD patients have advanced renal impairment with very little or even excretory function therefore more susceptible to excess calcium loading.
    2- for either HD or PD, dialysate composition regarding bicarbonate and calcium content affects greatly the calcium balance.
    3- PD patients have longer times of dialysate exposure with more susceptibility to +ve calcium balance.

    • Mohamed Abdalbary


      I agree.
      In a recent study when we measured urinary calcium in patients, we found that GFR correlates with urinary calcium. so the more GFR you lose the less urinary calcium you will have in urine. Patients without kidney reserve are more susceptible to calcium overload.

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